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 Post subject: Staff of Dominatrix
AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 6:37 pm 

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There is absolutely no reason to ban inatrix.
If people are too stupid to not blow it up with the absolute ungodly-number of destroy-artifact / exile-artifact effects, then they shouldn't be playing EDH in the first place.

Staff isn't overpowered, nor is it OP for being part of infinate mana/life/draw engine combos. No matter what, they will exist. If you're going to ban staff, ban everything related to it as, as well as other engine parts.




ect...


Stupid people not blowing up or saving a card to deal with natrix is not a reason to ban it.

On a side note, unban bargin.


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 Post subject: Re: Staff of Dominatrix
AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 7:10 pm 
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Sure there are lots of infinite combos, but staff is everyone of those cards combined. It will make infinite mana, then draw your deck, tap all your opponents blockers, and even give you inifinite life if you feel like rubbing it in. You run the card purely so it can be abused, otherwise you may as well just run one of the cards you listed.

Yeah Bargin is not getting unbanned in a format with 40 life. Necropotence is arguable one of the best ways to draw cards ever printed, so being able to use the exact same card with 0 drawbacks is pretty powerful. Even at doubling the cost does not off-set how powerful the card is. The card's only purpose is to draw through your deck until you assemble your combo and win.

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AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 7:13 pm 

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AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 7:29 pm 
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Staff only ever requires two cards to go infinite. Staff and a creature that can generate at least 5 mana by tapping.

Sages needs itself, Training Grounds, and something tapping for at least 2U. The need of colored mana greatly limits how easy the combo is to use, and how many decks can run it.

Voltaic Construct is an even harder combo to set up. It requires itself, something tapping for 3 mana, march of the machines, and possibly something to convert your mana source to an artifact if isn't already. Once again this combo is limited in the decks that can run it based on the need for colored mana.

Staff works in any deck that can produce a creature capable of tapping for at least 5 mana. Also unlike the other combos you listed this one also can draw you cards giving you all the fuel in the world to funnel your mana into. For your other combos to do this you'd need to toss in something like
so that you can draw through your deck for an answer. This adds yet another combo piece to the mix making it harder to assemble.

Staff is banned because 9/10 times it and a something tapping for 5 ends the game. There is a big difference between 2 cards doing that and 3 or more.

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 Post subject: Re: Staff of Dominatrix
AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 7:40 pm 
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The actual reason Staff is banned is because it was literally used for nothing but infinite combos. 99.99% of the time when someone was playing Staff, they had a way to go infinite with it and then immediately end the game as a result.

It's the same reason why Protean Hulk, Dragon, and LED are banned. Virtually no one ever uses the cards "responsibly", and only for degenerate applications.

/devil's advocate

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 Post subject: Re: Staff of Dominatrix
AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 10:15 pm 
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This is a joke, right?

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AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 11:15 pm 
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lol, obvious troll is obvious

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AgePosted: 2010-Sep-29 11:28 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Staff of Dominatrix
AgePosted: 2010-Sep-30 3:33 am 

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Sad thing is, I honestly believe Joz is not intentionally trolling. After looking at a majority of his posts, they don't scream "troll," they scream "young mind with little experience." Now, I am not intending to insult, all though I am sure it will be taken as such. There are lots of reasons your posts give that vibe, such as you could just play with a small group and never branch out, or you just have the social skills of "Corky." Point being, people read you as a troll mostly because you come across with too much ego and too little understanding.

Point in case, you talk of holding answers to disrupt combos. Great, outside of countermagic, there is really only one way to stop an intelligent player comboing out with the staff, and that is to "K grip" it.

Oh, and Bargain, really? Have you ever played in a non-kitchen magic format with that card? I know EDH is casual, I actually approach it that way, unlike 80% of the people I know, including locally, on the net, and from major events. There are honestly few cards on the banned list that deserve it more than Bargain.

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