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 Post subject: Spawnsire of Ulamog. His ability is legal, but not wishes?
AgePosted: 2010-May-13 8:31 am 

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Hi, first time poster, long time EDHer.

So, in a singleton format, where the point is "one of every card" is Spawnsire of Ulamog's ability legal in any way? Wishes don't work because there aren't/should be sideboards in the first place. But what's this? Spawnsire's ability is not only allowed, but it's not even limited to one copy of each Eldrazi spell it casts. Seems a bit ridiculous to me.....

If the cards that are currently banned are banned because they make the game unfun/degenerate/not fair, then how can this have been legal for a second? We're already seeing Turn 2 Channel> win the game. Also, if it's even turn 6 of 7 and they can cast him and he resolves with enough mana, (which, let's face it, 20 mana is no big deal with Academy/Cradle/Rofellos) it's good game. One spell wins the game, hands down.

Sure, I've heard the complaints "it'll make you a target" or "you'll never get the mana". Are we playing the same game? Everyone is often the threat and someone is bound to win, but it shouldn't be this easy.

Do something about it or at least PRETEND to do something about it, but it needs to be dealt with.


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AgePosted: 2010-May-13 9:54 am 

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After searching the rules for "wish" the only example is getting cards from the sideboard. If people played wishes in my group we'd let them go get any card they wanted so long as it met the deck construction rules, I believe.

Plus, spending 20 mana on plopping a ton of Eldrazi into play is a totally awesome way to win the game. What exactly are you complaining about?

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 Post subject: Re: Spawnsire of Ulamog. His ability is legal, but not wishes?
AgePosted: 2010-May-13 10:53 am 
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As far as I know wishes are completely legal. The idea that a wish only gets cards from your sideboard only applies to tournament games, not casual play, because that rule is a DCI tournament rule and not part of the comp rules. Otherwise people at tourneys would show up with a binder full of silver bullets for every conceivable situation and things would get stupid.

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Spawnsire's ability is only as powerful as the eldrazi you are not running. If an Eldrazi is in your deck then it can't be in your sideboard. Even in casual you'd technically only be able to pull one of any Eldrazi not currently in your deck.

So to pull of some crazy turn 2 drop every Eldrazi printed play then the only Eldrazi in your deck would be the Spawnsire.

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So you're telling me people actually play EDH with sideboards instead of just building a solid deck? Seems somewhat counter productive. Build a good, threatening, fun deck that has ways to deal with threats IN it, not afterward. Anyway, the odds of drawing the useful sideboard cards against any given deck in a 99 card deck are ridiculous.

The problem is there aren't any "sanctioned" EDH events, because they don't exist. right now they CAN'T exist. So people would only be pulling from their binders.

Keep in mind, there are So many ways to produce 20(30) mana in one turn. You all make it sound like being able to do it means you should automatically win the game. I don't feel the same way, nor do I believe that's how most of the EDH community feels.


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Who said wishes aren't legal? Judges wished in Atlanta all the time (mostly to point and laugh when Mindbreak Trap stopped your degenerate deck, but still). I assume its the same way for getting eldrazi, though you'd have to play all of them in your board to make that card good, and I'd rather just cast a better eldrazi to begin with.

PS - Obviously Spawnsire can only get 1 of anything that's not in your deck if that's mainly what you wanted to address. Tell anyone whining otherwise to play a format that doesn't restrict everything to 1.

PPS - Sideboard discussion probably goes in another thread altogether.


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 Post subject: Re: Spawnsire of Ulamog. His ability is legal, but not wishes?
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My only argument against that cheethorne is that there already is a precedent set against wishes.

Nobody loads their list with wishes, which means at some point it has been widely acknowledged that they do not function in a way that would make them staples in any list.

There are plenty of cutthroat lists and players that would jump at the chance to run wishes in a non-tournament setting, yet no one does where I play (and if they do, we have been correcting them that they do not work that way by official rules) and I don't see it much anywhere else in lists on this forum.

It's clear to me, clarfication is needed. I'm also not aware what the rules update of M10 have to do with this.

We've been asking for the wish rule to be listed under the rules section a few times now. Some of the reasons I remembered why it hasn't been put up, is it was considered "pretty intuitive" which once again appears not to be the case.

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If wishes work to fetch exiled cards, I am all over using Burning Wish to Yawgmoth's Will twice.

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