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AgePosted: 2018-Oct-16 2:30 am 

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I don't think people are saying LoA is bad, just that it isn't nearly as good as the hype it gets. Just like Reliquary Tower isn't a bad card, it simply isn't going to be active that often when you jam it into a random deck.

Just my two cents. I've made my stance on that card very well known to the five people who matter most.


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AgePosted: 2018-Oct-16 3:08 pm 

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While the overall number of voters is disappointingly low as compared to previous years, the trend is holding fast that Gifts and Painter's each have under half the votes. Similarly, Iona has more than half and Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are just under half. Don't know if this means anything to the RC since that set of cards are the ones which seem to get the most discussion nowadays. Sheldon, papa funk, are you guys paying any attention to the poll this year?


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^ No offense, my dude- but the RC has stated that the format is better than it has ever been since Leovold got the axe and our friendly Hulk came back into the fold. To be really honest, I think the RC mostly tunes out "balance talk" among the community, because the appeal to populace leans the format too hard into a competitive mindset. We do need to account for the fact that the RC's playgroups tend to play on the higher end of the power spectrum, but attempt to strip down power in favor of flavor.

Rather, while it's awesome for us to have these discussions about our own opinions- It's simply only our place to make these decisions in our own sessions with our own groups. Valuable as our input may be; what we want may diverge too much from the RC's goals.


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AgePosted: 2018-Oct-18 1:53 am 

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Oh I know well and good that they manage the format how they see fit, no matter what external push back they get. Case in point, Sheldon once famously said something along the lines of he would rather see the format die under their vision than change to something else. But at the same time, they should be acknowledging what a lot of people are saying (and no I'm not trying to imply that this year's poll or even MTGS in general is "a lot of people"). Sol Ring is a card that I feel comfortable saying 30-40% of people online think should be banned. Iona is similarly talked about, and not just in the context of exchanging her and Painter. People legitimately think these cards are bad for the format. Period. Protean Hulk is an card people thought would be a huge boogeyman and barely gets talked about, yet Gifts remains on the sidelines, presumably ignored.

This isn't me wanting a particular card unbanned (the only two cards I desire I know won't be legal ever), nor is it wanting more recognition for another web site. It's frustration that the format has grown well beyond the imagination of what a handful of players in Alaska ever dreamed it could be, and is now a global phenomenon being managed by five guys who have a somewhat unrealistic view of the format.

(Please note Sheldon and co., I mean absolutely no disrespect for you guys, the job you do, nor the amount of time and effort you have put into this. I simply feel the frustration of many who don't get the same level of enjoyment as you guys because they choose not to or are unable to play in the same fashion as you do.)


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I definitely don't expect the RC to do anything just on account of my post, and won't be upset if those cards remain unbanned. :P I am sure my vision for the format is at least a bit different from theirs.

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Look at the latest video by the Command Zone - they ran analysis on over 300 games and, much to everyone's surprise - they found that in those 300 games, a Turn 1 Sol Ring decreased your winning percentage, presumably because of the target it puts on your head. Turns out, Sol Ring is not this amazingly great card.

Also, they found that going first increases your winning percentage significantly, which I found interesting, but somewhat made sense when you think about it - all other things being equal, it's the first player who gets to the 'critical turn' (whether that's 6 mana or 12 mana) first, and that increases the odds of winning the game outright by about 5% (from 25% to 30% which is a 25% increase in the chance to win)

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cryogen: I don't feel that's unrealistic at all. You can't cater to everyone and make everyone happy. So instead, they've identified the type of play that they enjoy (and that has seemingly made the format grow in popularity) and are staying true to those ideals.

Changing things up just because someone runs it as a tournament doesn't make sense. It's like banning Manakin because someone has a houserule that it produced 20 mana of any colour.

That other people try to use the popular format in other places is good (mostly) ... but that doesn't mean that the core format should change just to make some things easier for those people.

It's like them trying to use this neat looking saw as something to propel a nail into a wood board -- sure, it can work, but there's problems with it. Doesn't mean the makers of the saw should change their design at all.


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