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 Post subject: Why not create an 1v1 banlist?
AgePosted: 2014-Feb-03 10:49 am 

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Lo,

I myself rarely play 1v1 competitively. Usually it occurs randomly.

There are some banlists for 1v1 out there but I find this site to be THE reference for rules and a basic banlist. I'm wondering why there is no 1v1 banlist here as well?

Just wondering really because it would definitely be an improvement, unless you never play 1v1 edh as RC.

Your thoughts?

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 Post subject: Re: Why not create an 1v1 banlist?
AgePosted: 2014-Feb-03 10:51 am 

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They only promote EDH as a multi-player game. The Duel Commander ban list is most widely accepted 1v1 list, and is updated by people who play that format. I think the RC really knows where their wheelhouse is, and it's not 1v1.


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AgePosted: 2014-Feb-03 11:15 am 
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http://duelcommander.com/banlist/

There ya go.

Now all you have to do is build decks that conform to both lists at once, or have multiple decks, one for multiplayer and one for 1v1.

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AgePosted: 2014-Feb-03 11:22 am 

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If you're looking for a Super competitive 1v1 Commander Format, check the French banlist. It's widely recognized as the 1v1 commander rules for competitive commander tournaments. You only have 30 life and has many bans that are not banned in current commander (sol ring, mana crypt, Serra Accendant, etc.) Also cards like grislebrand are not banned due to the speed of the format. Check mtgtop8.com for tier 1 decklists.


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 Post subject: Re: Why not create an 1v1 banlist?
AgePosted: 2014-Feb-04 9:23 am 

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Collusion gets worse the higher in prize you go. You cannot insist there is no problem by stating "There is no collusion," nor does "we made a rule that stops it." If such things were true, murder wouldn't exist, but even if it did it only matters when the murdered are really, really rich, right?

Collusion is a problem even when there is no seeming "prize" to be had, not just because it makes some people fight for "insignificant" prizes or even the fame winning a large or medium scale tourney might provide, or that you are competing against your peers but unfairly. It matters because the players NOT in on it are left out while the colluding players are "teaming up" to render them pointless. It becomes a game of 2 v 2 that was never stated at the beginning, so if those players are trying to play the game legitimately, they are weakened already rather than having spent their time fighting this pair of colluders. It means the point of a free-for-all is lost.

And yeah, money might mean something to those players. $15 might seem a drop in a bucket for Mr. Beta Duals, but it's not for someone trying to build up a nice EDH deck he's been working on for a few weeks. Punch the kid down!


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AgePosted: 2014-Feb-04 11:35 am 
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You guys got any proof of this?

First of all, the pods are randomized. So you're not playing with your friend at the same pod.
Second of all, there are 5-6 judges there at all times. Two to three are usually playing, another two to three watching the tables.
Third of all, the rules are set up so that you can't give a player the game or so on.

And...you'll really have to take my word on this, but I've never seen it or experienced it at any event. And we run these weekly. The pods and players are just too unpredictable for any one player to do so.

Let me give you an example. We had one player on Azami, Lady of Scolls. I was on Radha, another was on Exava and a third on Skullbriar. Azami tried to politic into a table win but just got a bunch of burn thrown at her head.

You want to bluff anything? Can't, all cards to be played must be revealed to the table prior to casting. So if you're going to "pretend" that you're going to Wrath you need to show the Wrath.
You're also seated diagonally from your partner in round 2 and can't share any info with them alone. You have to tell the whole table what you're going to do.

So, you're more than free to say that there's collusion at these events, but then you need to present evidence. I'm 100% sure there aren't any at the 1 v 1 events. And I'd go as far as saying I'm 94% sure about the Gauntlets.

And the kid with no duals? That's about 70% of the playfield. There's one guy that runs Beta/Alpha everything, others with tricked out decks...one guy has a $5,000 Edric deck and that still didn't help him. When he started getting ahead Wraths dropped and so on.

Oh, and the organizers would ban anyone that cheated/stole/threatened. They've banned one guy that stole, banned another that threatened. It's an absolutely awesome environment. Hell, there are 4-5 EDH tournaments of varying sizes each week here in Ottawa...one on Wednesday, one on Sunday, two on Saturday, one on Thursday.

Not one complaint or accusation so far...and it's been going on for close to four years. :)

That isn't to say that it doesn't happen at events like GenCon (see the EDH Mafia thread) but not so far here.

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- cEDH discard/attrition.
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- Unbridled Aggro

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AgePosted: 2014-Feb-04 11:53 am 
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I don't disagree that there are poltiics, it is multiplayer.
I simply disagree that there is a shadow clique of EDH players in Ottawa that are colluding to win tournaments where the top reward is $15 in store credit at one store ($5 entry) and around $24-$32 at another event ($5 entry).

I'm not trying to be obstinate or naive 8.5, I just know the environment.
Basically: "Is it worth $35 to you to never play EDH again, never be allowed in any of the stores again, and to need to move to another city?"

Because basically, that's what happens in Ottawa. We have a social contract of sorts around the events. If ever you're in Ottawa or on Facebook I'll put you in touch with organizers and you can speak with them about it.

We've never had a problem with perceived cheating/collusion, just with getting more events at the Saturday tournies. We cap out at 8 generally. :p

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- Flower power! Nature/Justice/Retribution themed casual fun.
- All white-bordered!
- cEDH discard/attrition.
Pre-Modern:
A .
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- Ramp ramp ramp into Ugin+Painter's Servant.
- Unbridled Aggro

Find me Saturdays at the Wizard's Tower - Ottawa and occasional Mondays at Westboro Legion for Duel Commander.


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- All white-bordered!
- cEDH discard/attrition.
Pre-Modern:
A .
Duel Commander:
- Ramp ramp ramp into Ugin+Painter's Servant.
- Unbridled Aggro

Find me Saturdays at the Wizard's Tower - Ottawa and occasional Mondays at Westboro Legion for Duel Commander.


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