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 Post subject: Argument for Painter's Servant.
AgePosted: 2010-Dec-16 12:02 pm 

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When I first started playing EDH, I used painter's servant in my decks. It wasn't for the grindstone combo, or the iona lock out. It was for the wacky stuff it interacted with, allowing for mono-green counters, massive lifegain boardwipes, off-color vindicates, and really odd kill spells. My playgroup didn't realize it was banned because it simply wasn't a problem. Lately I have been looking at the banned list more and more, feeling that even the Iona lock wasn't any worse than the erayo lock. This only leaves the grindstone combo. I would like the RC to reconsider their ban on PS. Unlike Staff, PS has plenty of other fun interactions which don't revolve around an infinite combo.


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AgePosted: 2010-Dec-16 12:12 pm 
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If no one in your group has a problem with you playing Painter's Servant, then just play it :)

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AgePosted: 2010-Dec-16 12:18 pm 
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Banning Painter's Servant was one move that I did not agree with at all. The Painter's Servant/Iona lock was only a big problem because of Tooth and Nail, but if one of them had to go, Iona should have been the one. Even by herself, she's a terrible card that shouldn't see play in a format like EDH. Painter's Servant was chosen instead because he was the engine, but I don't think the loss of his many other unique and fun interactions was worth it.

Of course, what Genomancer said is 100% true. Go ahead and play on my friend!


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LOLWUT you obviously are someone I'd rather avoid playing EDH with. Iona is not a fun card, so it shouldn't see play in a casual format like EDH. I suppose I should insert the obligatory IMHO here. <(' '<) (>' ')> \(^^)/

Painter's Servant is far from useless outside those two combos. The OP named a few uses, but you might appreciate it's use with Teysa more (you know, since it's infinite).

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I wanted to make a , Task Mage deck, but then servant got banned. I understand the reason why because as fun as it could be it led to some unfun combos (ie Iona lock). I even got the sexy foil of her (the media insert one). God I love the way that foil looks.


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Dude, I wanted to play painter's servant in my oona, queen of the fae deck. And I did for a while. (anyone want to guess whether I used it as a way of making sure that my oona was always giving me the full X faeries?)

But on the other hand, I can really see how it causes problems.

As for the erayo plus arcane lab soft lock-- you still have your manlands and other lands, and you still have your uncounterable spells and eldrazi triggers. I'm mostly thinking of artisan of kozilek as thats the most popular eldrazi in my area. Also, there are solid creatures with unearth etc. Erayo+ arcane lab is not terribly difficult to get around if its an issue. But the only way to get aroun iona is to discard your kederekt leviathan, then replay it. Then hope that someone has removal for iona followed by removal for painters servant-- or rather, you made sure to talk to people to make sure they do have instant speed removal/ counters saved up.


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My playgroup has currently unbanned PS and banned Iona and grindstone. Grindstone sees no play, outside of the combo, and Iona had recently began seeing no play as well. We currently have an oona deck in the works by a new player, who expressed his wish to see ps unbanned, as well as a jaya deck. Will update more as we play more.

Also, considering testing out kokusho as a card, still banned as a general.


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"X card is banned" means, "Ask permission before playing X." Before starting a game, ask the people you're playing with, "I've got in this deck, which I know is on the banned list, but I'm not playing either or . Are you all okay with that?" And unless they've got a particular hatred of the card (its interaction with can be annoying), you should be good to go. My friend's got a color hacking deck where Servant is an absolute necessity, so we don't have any problem with letting him play it.


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