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 Post subject: Re: Spawnsire of Ulamog. His ability is legal, but not wishes?
AgePosted: 2010-May-15 10:36 am 
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I'm not getting this argument.
Why is everyone arguing for a standard of how these work? And why doesn't everyone have the same expectations?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. YOU ARE NOT IN A TOURNAMENT, THEY WORK AS THEY ARE PRINTED!

Why is everyone disputing this so much?
The EDH rules do not incorporate an official 'ruling' on wishes, and you cannot just go by what an RC member said randomly a year ago.
Nothing is stopping you from using them as they are printed; therefore, you use them as they are printed.

As for getting a card you have one of in your deck ... "6. With the exception of basic lands, no two cards in the deck may have the same english name."
Seems like it is not a problem to grab another one from outside your deck. This doesn't happen in a tourney due to the sideboard clause.

And you cannot grab banned cards because the format itself bans them. They aren't just banned from being in your deck.

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The reason everyone treats wishes as a 'sideboard' thing is just because everyone is used to their normal applications in tournament play.
But everyone has got to remember something. Unless you are in an EDH tournament ... EDH is not serious business.

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I just don't want anyone using as an extra copy of , because that would be lame. Likewise, I'm never going to fetch more than one of any eldrazi with , not because the rules specifically prohibit it but because I think that goes against the spirit of the format. Getting 35 would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

On the other hand, grabbing a for you Niv deck and playing it with is sweet.


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I'm not a fan of grabbing Cruel Ultimatum for a Niv deck. I agree that it feels less wrong than grabbing 10,000 Emrakul, but it's still icky to me.


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10,000 Emrakul w/ out ... *droooooooool*

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I'll just say that I agree with Pysces. Whether or not wishes are technically legal, I think it's clear that Wishes are too strong if used with a competitive mindset. Sure, in completely casual games they're fine, but be honest--anything is fine in that environment.

In my playgroups, we play very competitively, because that's how we have the most fun. I also play a lot of 1v1 EDH, which tends to be similarly competitive.

I have never had anyone try to play a Wish against me, probably because we all have an intuitive understanding that they should not work in EDH. If someone does try to play one against me, I would not let them.

Of course, I know that EDH is intended to be a casual, carebear format, and that you can do anything you want in a casual format, but I think that's missing the point. If you're playing "anything goes" games because you trust everyone in your group to be casual and "fun," then why do you care what the official rules say in the first place?


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AgePosted: 2010-May-16 2:32 am 
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20, Win a lengthy argument: You win the game.


Personally, I tend to avoid grabbing more than one of a single eldrazi with spawnsire. However, that is mostly because it avoids arguments rather than me believing that is how it's supposed to be. I get to play the most at conventions and thus try to avoid the most common disagreements. :(

If someone pulled multiple tentacruel or a stack of inversions on me with a spawnsire, I wouldn't mind. It'd be like losing to a door to nothingness but much more amusing.


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AgePosted: 2010-May-16 3:21 am 

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Intereting thought:

Spawnsire, when played in any other format increases your deck size by X where X is the number of Eldrazi cards you find. In Standard/Vintage/whatever you go from having a 60-card, legal deck to having a 65/70-card, legal deck.

In EDH, you would have a 99 + General + X illegal deck as the format restricts the maximum as well as the minimum deck size.

This is quite apart from the sideboard optional arguament as all SB-ing is done between games and a 100 card legal deck must still be presented for the game.

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The legal deck is presented for the game. It then stops being a "deck" and becomes a "library," and it's okay for the total number of cards to change.


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