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 Post subject: Spoilers are up, time to prematurely scream for bans
AgePosted: 2015-Mar-02 7:49 am 
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I figured I may as well do the honors, mostly since, well, just look at this thing:

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Sidisi, Undead Vizier 3BB
Legendary Creature - Zombie Naga

Exploit (When this creature enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature)

When Sidisi, Undead Vizier exploits a creature, search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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U WOT M8?! So let's just go over this: Commander you always have access to that's a self-sacrificing tutor on a stick that can then go fetch you whatever you need to abuse the everloving crap out of it, like say , , , , and many other cards, not to mention the possibility of just building combo if you are that kind of douche.

I don't think it's unfair to say this is probably the most powerful general WotC has dared to print since Griselbanned.


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AgePosted: 2015-Mar-02 7:51 am 

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Goodbye Maralen, Hello Sidisi 10.0


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AgePosted: 2015-Mar-02 8:10 am 
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A possibly relevant question with this card; how do the two abilities (exploit and the "what you do when you exploit" clause) interact?

Specifically, is the second ability another trigger that can be responded to after the sacrifice is made, or is the entire thing one action?

The way I read it, you do not choose whether to exploit until the exploit trigger resolves. It also appears that choosing to snackrifice puts another trigger on the stack, which could then be responded to. Is this correct?

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AgePosted: 2015-Mar-02 8:15 am 
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Yep two triggers.

Trigger 1: Etb: Exploit goes on the stack. While it is resolving you choose to sacrifice a creature, or not. If you do:

Trigger 2: When a creature is sacrificed due to exploit....

Both of these can be responded to. Note that Exploit doesn't target, so to prevent the sacrifice you'd have to kill all of the creatures (Sidisi *can* exploit/sacrifice herself)

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However, you can respond to the Exploit trigger by killing . If they then choose to sacrifice a creature to Exploit, they have accomplished... sacrificing a creature.

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Thread title says it all. 3BB+2n for a reusable tutor seems like a combo wonderland, but for any strategy that's not boringly linear it's not worth it IMO. To get the best use out of her you need to sac her each time, which means you're paying over and over for a 4/6 body that you'll never get to use without threatening to make her one trick go away. Sure she's abusable, but she's not fun.


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Corpse Dance is disgusting.


We know already.


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I am seriously wondering if Wizards is pushing the RC intentionally to see how firm they are on what they ban and what they don't ban and why. There was an article I was reading about how was technically the first EDH card ever banned.


Then I saw this gem, and wondered if WotC is pushing buttons intentionally.


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