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MTG Commander/Elder Dragon Highlander :: View topic - cEDH should be it's own format
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cEDH should be it's own format
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Author:  Nigerian Prince [ 2019-Aug-01 11:32 pm ]
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My first reaction was to just split the formats, let cEDH players have their own banlist and be done with it. I'm not so sure about that after reading this and other threads the last couple of weeks.

To me it looks like, even though the play style and deck building philosophy differs quite a lot, minimal changes to the ban list can be enough.

PE was ruining casual play, so it needed to get banned. If Flash Hulk is too dominant in cEDH, ban Flash or reban Hulk. As a casual player, I have no problem a card gets banned in casual because it causes problems in cEDH (most kitchen table groups won't even mind if you still use Hulk, as long as you're not fetching combo pieces).

EDH players should have the courtesy to accept some extra bans when cards are wrecking cEDH, and cEDH players should accept bans for the same reason. The RC and CAG should find usefull contacts within the cEDH community to discuss the health of the format, and act when problem cards arise, even when they do not pose a problem in casual play.

I will now go and prepare my acceptance speech for the incoming Nobel Peace Award, afterwards I will be available for parties and receptions. I like Scotch.

Author:  Sinis [ 2019-Aug-02 1:53 am ]
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I think I wrote everything I wanted to in the nexus thread.

I think more generally:

Format splitting would be bad for cEDH players. They'd have less people to play against, essentially. Only, the format is already informally split. cEDH players say they don't want to pubstomp (in my experience, they do, but that's neither here nor there) and 'regular' EDH players don't want to play in games they don't consider fun.

Second, because of that, people already decline games. There are people at my LGS I decline to play with, because they want a different game than I do. They happen to reside closer to the principles of cEDH.

At this point, I think it's just whinging about the ban list. Flash is broken, Partners are problematic, Paradox Engine was fine, etc. But, frankly, I can't bring myself to care. I, and many of the people I play with, were playing EDH before it was recognized by WotC. I played EDH *expressly* because it was not competitive, stress free, casual and multiplayer. I once joked on MTGsalvation that I played EDH because I wanted to "play with ALL my cards, ALL my friends, ALL at the same time".

None of the problems with cEDH is 'traditional' EDH player's fault. This format wasn't built for robust competition. I hope it never gets reconstructed to be so.

The best analogy I've come up with is someone buying a construction-grade nailgun and trying to go duck hunting with it. When they find out it's not built for accuracy and that they're missing all the ducks, they go to deWalt or whatever nailgun manufacturer they bought from and complain about the accuracy of the nailguns at 500 meters.

deWalt *should* respond: "It's a fucking nailgun you dipshit. You'll get better results with a hunting rifle."

At this point, when a cEDH forum poster says/writes "The format has grown beyond that" or "Flash is so bonkers it should be banned" all I can read/hear is "I want to shoot ducks with my nailgun, no matter how bad an idea it is."

Honestly, I don't believe competitive banlist concern posts should even merit a response. People are just going to have to find out that some things just aren't for them.

Edit to add: I applaud Sheldon for even engaging with cEDH players at all. The level of vitriol is more than I would be willing to negotiate. When the fourth post in your olive-branch-engagement-thread is from a user called "sheldonshouldretire" and you get death threats, I don't know what. Not only are they not the aggrieved party as nailgun-duck-hunters, but most of their representatives have schoolyard bully attitudes to discussion and debate.

Author:  PrimeTime4Life [ 2019-Aug-02 2:15 am ]
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Author:  Sinis [ 2019-Aug-02 2:46 am ]
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Author:  Nigerian Prince [ 2019-Aug-02 2:57 am ]
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Author:  Inkeyes22 [ 2019-Aug-02 3:48 am ]
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Author:  Carthain [ 2019-Aug-02 4:12 am ]
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From reading some of this stuff about cEDH -- My feeling is that they should have a slight change... saaay, starting at 35 life.

That leads (slightly) less life, so combo/control decks have slightly less time to establish themselves or find what they need to win/control the game.

It also, more importantly, lets people start off with something as simple as "how much life are we starting with, 35 or 40?" and then let everyone realize what kind of game is going to happen. If cEDH starts with differing life total, then anyone 'pubstomping' is intentionally doing it, while those who have proper ideas of only playing 'competitive' decks with others of similar mind, have a clear signal to tell one way or another if this game will be that type or not.

Author:  Sinis [ 2019-Aug-13 6:35 am ]
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Author:  Carthain [ 2019-Aug-13 7:03 am ]
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Author:  Sheldon [ 2019-Aug-15 10:03 am ]
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Splitting the format does nothing, since it doesn't stop anyone from showing up to a "non-cEDH" event with a cEDH deck (or vice versa, but that's obviously less of a problem). The only way to solve that problem would be overlap in the banned lists, and at that point, there's no reason to have two formats.

Author:  HoffOccultist [ 2019-Aug-15 12:18 pm ]
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