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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
AgePosted: 2012-Jan-23 1:32 pm 
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[O] Elbrus is not playable as a General, and its color identity is Black.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
AgePosted: 2012-Jan-23 1:45 pm 

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Kaldare, would you happen to be a hipster? Just curious...I heard they might be the "in" thing right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
AgePosted: 2012-Jan-24 9:08 am 

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Ukkmaster wrote:
Kaldare, would you happen to be a hipster? Just curious...I heard they might be the "in" thing right now.


:')

Well.... that and vampires :(

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
AgePosted: 2012-Jan-24 9:14 am 
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Ukkmaster wrote:
Kaldare, would you happen to be a hipster? Just curious...I heard they might be the "in" thing right now.

According to Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, pirates are in this year.

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AgePosted: 2012-Jan-24 10:29 am 
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Malekoda wrote:
Ukkmaster wrote:
Kaldare, would you happen to be a hipster? Just curious...I heard they might be the "in" thing right now.

According to Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, pirates are in this year.

That was last year. So 2011. (Or more if you count the comics - which are great, btw.)

Really no way to stay on topic here any longer, though. I thought it was obvious it could never be an officially accepted general. However, having seen Withengar who is a comparably small time demon (well ok, killed St. Traft), I'm dying to see if Griselbrand will also receive a card. You know - since Avacyn returns, he will be sure to follow. Especially if the speculation is correct and they're the one and the same. It seems unlikely, though, with Sorin having created Avacyn to protect the plane and all.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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Speaking of the storyline, I really should get on reading some of these books. I often took great interest in how things unfolded since they started publishing them in the first place but never really got around to it.

How are the books overall? Well written, at the least, or a variation of good and bad?

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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VariSami wrote:
That was last year. So 2011. (Or more if you count the comics - which are great, btw.)

Let me guess: You liked Scott Pilgrim before it was cool? :wink:

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Especially if the speculation is correct and they're the one and the same.

I never really got what inspired this rumor. Not to mention, it isn't actually true.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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[O] Elbrus is not playable as a General, and its color identity is Black.


If you want to support this stance and still have the rules make sense, you could simply allow the back of Elberus to be a general and since it has no mana cost make players unable to cast it. The back of DFC's have different names so they have to declare that thier general is an uncastable card?

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Malekoda wrote:
VariSami wrote:
That was last year. So 2011. (Or more if you count the comics - which are great, btw.)

Let me guess: You liked Scott Pilgrim before it was cool? :wink:

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Especially if the speculation is correct and they're the one and the same.

I never really got what inspired this rumor. Not to mention, it isn't actually true.


No, actually I saw the movie first. And I believe the rumor was spawned partially because of Avacyn's close connection to the moon. You know, the moon goes through phases of partial and total light and darkness. I also believe people just thought it up because it's just such a clichéd troupe. In the end, the ultimate good equals ultimate bad as well. Split personalities. You know.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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Shoe wrote:
If you want to support this stance and still have the rules make sense, you could simply allow the back of Elberus to be a general and since it has no mana cost make players unable to cast it.

As much as I dredge the coming months of posts about why you can't have Elbrus as your commander, I much prefer it to a torrent of "Why make Elbrus a legal commander when you can't cast it?"

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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Malekoda wrote:
As much as I dredge the coming months of posts

Hopefully you DREAD them. not Dredge them, cause, like, Dread is a better card

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Sid the Chicken wrote:
Hopefully you DREAD them. not Dredge them, cause, like, Dread is a better card

LOL.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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I went and got you guys an official rules answer (as the comprehensive rulebook was unclear).

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28875333/Characteristics_of_DFCs_in_the_sideboard

Sadly (for some), the Elbrus//Withengar double-faced card is not a Legendary Creature during deck construction.


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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
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Because the post from Sheldon isn't official enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Elbrus, the Binding Blade
AgePosted: 2012-Feb-07 11:50 am 

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Carthain wrote:
Rule 2 - choosing your commander - asks you to choose a legendary creature card. There are no new rules on what constitutes a legendary creature card, so we check the base magic rules. And the sword, even if it can turn into a legendary creature, isn't a legendary creature card.


No, rule 2 says: "Players must choose a legendary creature as the "Commander" for their deck"

Notice, not a legendary creature card. A legendary creature.

Withengar Unbound is a legendary creature. So is a Squirrel token when Leyline of Singularity is in play.

I realize that Sheldon has ruled that Withengar Unbound is not legal, and that official WotC sources have agreed in forum posts. It is not well supported by the union of the Commander rules document and the Comprehensive Rules document.


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