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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-04 11:16 pm 
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Segrus wrote:
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I know it'll probably make the player who casts it a target, but I look forward to trying this out.

Commanders like Akiri, Line-Slinger and Breya, Etherium Shaper are going to like it a lot. Multiple artifacts through each round? Twenty or so when you Reforge the Soul? Yes please! Combos horrifically with Hellkite Tyrant.

Rhystic Study tends to draw a lot of focus so I agree so will this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-05 1:02 am 
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Segrus wrote:
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I know it'll probably make the player who casts it a target, but I look forward to trying this out.


So Wizards continues to support treasure tokens, and now even in white. Nice, I like treasure tokens.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-05 10:09 am 

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brainface wrote:
so like, assuming i'm not terrible at magic:
pestermite -> breaching hippocamp ->chakram retriever->(cast something)->great oak guardian-> um... palinchron?

There's several pestermite analogues, and just like seeker of skybreak kind of dudes that'll make it easier.

I didn't see anything at cmc 2 to start it off but still

If you have one extra untap effect and one extra mana, or wait one more turn, you can just win the game:

Scryb Ranger (if you have 1-2 forests)
-> Pestermite
-> Breaching Hippocamp
-> Chakram Retriever (and cast any spell) / Disciple of the Ring (with an instant or sorcery in the graveyard and {1}) / Tidewater Minion (and haste or wait a turn)
-> Great Oak Guardian
-> Protean Hulk and use your extra untap or wait a turn
-> Woodfall Primus
Hulk for Trophy Mage + Hidden Herbalists + Quirion Ranger (with a forest and {1}) or Mage + Bounding Krasis/Deceiver Exarch (with {3}).
Trophy Mage for Blasting Station and cast it.
Untap Vannifar and turn Trophy Mage into Ivy Lane Denizen.
Sac Primus to Station until your opponents are dead.


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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-05 2:49 pm 
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Ya know, Overrun has a lot to answer for. Why do all of these things always grant trample?

It's no Craterhoof, but it's another one like it. Two thumbs WAY down for this one, and I love me some green cards.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-06 2:03 am 
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Sid the Chicken wrote:
Willbender wrote:
With token generators + a good spread of mana costs, you put almost every creature in your deck into play in a single turn. With Eldrazi titans (or other graveyard shufflers) it's even easier, plus you can loop CITP/leaves play effects on any creature you have that way.

Token generators seem largely irrelevant, unless you have a lot of 1-drops you want to fetch.


There are more than a few Minion Reflector/Quasiduplicate effects making token copies (with CMC), which is another option.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-07 3:19 am 
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So far all of the CCDD cards are meh...

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-07 7:18 am 
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Simic continues to be a treasure trove of type lines and now names, and on an amazing card too: Galloping Lizrog.

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Also we have our first guildmage, Syndicate Guildmage, and it's a ... black ... burn card?? It's like that player loses 2 life but it can also hit planeswalkers. Interesting, I wonder if that will become more common in black.

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Inkeyes22 wrote:
So far all of the CCDD cards are meh...


What about Kaya's Wrath? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-07 8:28 am 
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When I said that, I meant the CCDD uncommons. The Wrath is pretty decent, I will likely play it in most if not all BW or BW/x decks

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The usual answer is "the social contract", but I guess that is not what you are looking for. Try house rules.


With perfect mana, reasonable removal, disruption, and card advantage, we're back to pitchforks and torches. And it's about to get worse for those who do not enjoy the game as Richard Garfield intended, playing as few win conditions as possible and prompting concession after all hopes (and spells) are lost. - Shaheen Soorani


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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-08 9:05 am 

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The problem with the WWBB Wrath is that Fumigate exists and is better. Sure it costs 1 more, but is still easier to cast overall, can be played in way more decks, and will likely gain you 2x or 3x more life, on average.

Also, I'd run Wrath/Day/Damnation/Austere/Merciless Eviction all before I'd even consider this, outside some highly niche cases. But, I mean, it looks cool and gets the job done so if you just need a budget sweeper and you're in Orzhov I wouldn't scoff at you for running this.

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AgePosted: 2019-Jan-08 9:58 am 
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WOWSERS

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
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I think that may be the only split card in this whole block that I actually like!

Meanwhile, this:
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... looks pretty spicy in the right decks.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-09 7:20 am 
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- Sac outlet
- Forced sac by opponents
- Card draw
- Net mana gain

What's not to like? I guess the once-per-turn thing is a bit of a downside but this is pretty good.

Edited to add: Someone on reddit pointed out that Thornbite Staff turns this into a machine gun, if you have enough fodder to sac

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-10 10:06 am 

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with thornbite staff I would want to have a grave crawler or reassembling skeleton (or both) ready to go.

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AgePosted: 2019-Jan-11 8:31 am 

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haunted dead is allllmost perfect there.

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 Post subject: Re: Ravnica Allegiance
AgePosted: 2019-Jan-11 10:17 am 

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Gravecrawler and Nether Traitor or pretty much any of the above with Desecrated Tomb.

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