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 Post subject: Life gain wincons
AgePosted: 2015-May-12 5:07 am 
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I'm trying to come up with another deck and I found I hadn't done a life gain deck. I have lots of ideas on how to gain life but I'm having a hard time finding a wincon that relies on gaining life. I know there's Archangel of Thune, Felidar Sovereign, and Test of Endurance. I don't really like the instant win cards since the life total thing is so easy to obtain. I will likely run Archangel but I need more than that as a wincon.

Are there other ways to win using "whenever you gain life"?

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AgePosted: 2015-May-12 5:10 am 
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Forgot about Sanguine Bond. That's a good one.

I know there a few creatures that get counters when you gain life. Was hoping for more ways to win than turning creatures sideways.

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 Post subject: Re: Life gain wincons
AgePosted: 2015-May-12 5:25 am 

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A friend of mine has a "blood economy" deck headed by Vish Kal. Sanguine Bond, Vizkopa Guildmage, tons of vampires, lifelink creatures, and things that allow you to exchange life for various benefits.

Based on this, it looks like you are definitely going to want to be WB. The other colors all add a little bit of something, but the key stuff all looks to be black and/or white.
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AgePosted: 2015-May-12 5:35 am 
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Searing Meditation? Chalice of Life? Feudkiller's Verdict?

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AgePosted: 2015-May-12 6:27 am 
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Those are good! I really like Feudkiller's Verdict.


I've done the vampire/drain life/use life thing and I did the "whenever you gain life" search. Vizkopa Guildmage is a good one. WB is definitely in there. I would like to add Red to the party but I don't really like the RWB commanders. Perhaps I can do something with Alesha though.

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AgePosted: 2015-May-12 6:42 am 

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JJackson wrote:
A friend of mine has a "blood economy" deck headed by Vish Kal.

I made this deck once. It's pretty strong - stronger than you might think. I thought I'd just add a bunch of life-gain, life-spend synergistic cards and see how it went. The answer is : there's SO MUCH synergy that it plays like a combo deck.

anyway, to your original point:

cradle of vitality
well of lost dreams

you probably want those.

Other good (all-stars) from the W/B version:

necropotence
lich
blind obedience
words of worship
words of waste
pestilence
ad nauseam
promise of power
exquisite blood
sanguine bond
confessor
children of korlis
faith healer
vizkopa guildmage
skirge familiar
platinum angel
wall of reverence
angel's grace
tainted sigil
repay in kind
disciple of bolas
second sunrise

The cool thing about the deck is you can sort of transition from gaining a lot of life to spending it all on something. Or shifting from gaining to spending, and vice versa.

But, there's so many absurd combos here that aren't commonly played:
confessor + words of waste
confessor + skirge familiar
ad nauseam + angel's grace or children of korlis
repay in kind + exquisite blood or tainted sigil
lich + words of worship
faith healer + second sunrise
lich + children of korlis or eternity vessel

Also, these combos are strong. A lot of them pretty much win the game. Which is sort of sad, because these combos are so cool, you want the game to go on longer.

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AgePosted: 2015-May-12 6:56 am 
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Hatred + Tainted Sigil was my favorite from my deck.

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Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

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AgePosted: 2015-May-13 2:52 am 
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Storm herd- although admittedly I have hardly ever won with this card due to lack of haste or lack of countermagic
test of endurance and felidar sovereign is fair in my book since it says upkeep, plus they're just permanents.
Sun droplet
exsanguinate
blood tribute
wound reflection
glarecaster
replenish
phyrexian processor
soul conduit
I use Eye of Ugin plus eldrazi to back up the win cons in the deck too

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AgePosted: 2015-May-13 3:32 am 
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I have an Orzhov extort deck that performs well at winning at the lifegain game. It's a pillow fort style deck (Ghostly Prison effects) with Athreos, God of Passage at the helm; Guess Orzhov finally found their god, eh? :)

I'll try and post the decklist tonight and PM you the link. I don't have any of the insta-win combos or cards in the deck at all. Plenty of time for opponents to interact with me and try to prevent the slow draining win (love extort mechanic in multiplayer).

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AgePosted: 2015-May-13 3:34 am 
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Those are good, but they're all ways to win USING life.


I was looking for ways to win when you GAIN life.

I don't see enough ways to make it viable. Have to resort to using life to win.

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Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

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AgePosted: 2015-May-13 4:45 am 
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Vizkopa Guildmage is one of the best was in the deck to get huge chunks of life loss.

How about Unspeakable Symbol? That lets you use life to affect board state. Still needs combat though, I guess, unless you combo with black spells that use a creature's P/T as damage like Soul's Fire.

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AgePosted: 2015-May-14 2:25 am 

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I play treva, the renewer for my life gain deck. It's a bit more original as I have never seen another treva deck, and it allows you to protect your stuff a little bit. I play some cool cards as follows for the theme

Drogskol Reaver
Felidar Sovereign
Loxodon Hierarch
Rhox Faithmender
Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant
oracle of nectars
Eternity Vessel
Well of Lost Dreams
Terashi's Grasp
Angelic Accord
boon reflection
Cradle of Vitality

I also run a subtheme of Exalted which suplements the deck rather nicely too

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AgePosted: 2015-May-14 7:53 am 
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Yeah, I agree that you should consider what your subtheme is going to be. Lifegain is a fun engine to mess around with, but you need a strong subtheme to carry the rest of your deck. I tried monowhite pillow fort withRune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant at the helm, and currently I am running monoblack Kuro, pitlord which is more control.

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AgePosted: 2015-Nov-06 12:28 am 

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I know I'll be building a life gain deck around this dude. Lots of little increments to trigger, plus a few voltrony things and necropotence. What could go wrong?

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AgePosted: 2015-Nov-06 1:38 am 
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I have a feeling we like the same kind of decks :)

I was thinking the same thing when I saw him. I'm going to do an Enchantmentish thing with life gain as a main theme.

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Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
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