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 Post subject: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-04 9:53 pm 

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I was searching for cards that destroy noncreature permanents and I came upon Nessian Demolok. It seems to me that there will almost always be an opponent that would be willing to let you kill some key noncreature that another opponent controls. The enemy of my enemy sort of thing.

Does anyone have any experience with this card? Is it worse than Mold Shambler?


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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-04 10:13 pm 

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Anything that strictly relies on the cooperation of your opponents to achieve what you need to do, is worse than something that doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-05 3:48 am 

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There are pros and cons to both of those cards, though I think they're definitely second-fiddle to Acidic Slime unless your metagame is overrun with planeswalkers.

Demolok is cheaper than Shambler, and plays well with reanimation and blinking. If there isn't anything worth blowing up, you can probably get the larger body through politics (offer "a 6/6 that isn't going to attack you or a stone rain and a 3/3 that might attack you".)

Shambler always will destroy a thing if you need it to. Demolok will only destroy things that are problematic for at least one opponent (unless you lie about what you are going to destroy if they don't pay tribute, but that only works once).

I think both of them are perfectly reasonable cards, and Demolok definitely wins if you're running something like Roon. If you are normally the archenemy, definitely use Shambler. In most other decks, either one will do just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-05 7:43 pm 

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I was thinking of playing it in Kresh and doing some sacrifice/graveyard shenanigans, but I think I will already be playing Acidic Slime and Woodfall Primus. Actually Terastodon would probably even be a better choice.


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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-06 4:43 am 

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Wickerbough Elder is another good one, and it gets around Torpor Orb. It only hits artifacts and enchantments, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-06 6:33 am 
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JJackson wrote:
Wickerbough Elder is another good one, and it gets around Torpor Orb. It only hits artifacts and enchantments, though.

Has cute interactions with anything that can put extra -1/-1 counters on it. Cards like Sinking Feeling or Torture that will let you machinegun artifacts and enchantments.

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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-06 12:24 pm 
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I think Nessian Demolok has a similar issue that Siren of the Fanged Coast has, namely you do not have to pick the target until resolution and so people might be nervous you will say one thing and do another. If it's your regular playgroup than this should be less of an issue but like most things that give your opponent options, you generally get the least desirable.

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 Post subject: Re: Nessian Demolok
AgePosted: 2015-Feb-07 1:48 am 

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Inkeyes22 wrote:
I think Nessian Demolok has a similar issue that Siren of the Fanged Coast has, namely you do not have to pick the target until resolution and so people might be nervous you will say one thing and do another. If it's your regular playgroup than this should be less of an issue but like most things that give your opponent options, you generally get the least desirable.

I strongly recommend playing with the tournament shortcut rules for communication here. If you name something on casting it, you are locked in to the choice unless somebody responds.


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