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AgePosted: 2008-Sep-22 3:06 am 

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While I don't think Time Stretch is overpowered, the nuts with Time Stretch is the decks that use Eternal Witness and other regrowth effects to take as many turns as they want after it does resolve. Boseiju, Who Shelters All can almost garuntee this. It can be hard enough in a play group to stop one person from going broken with Time Stretch, it is quite another when 3 or more players in a group are trying to do the same thing as well. I am still not convinced it should be banned, but I can see why it needs to stay on the watch list.


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what do you guys think about necorpotents I love it free cards woot for 3 mana wait wtf bargen is 6 and that was broken but now i get to do it for 3 woot woot ftw..

that what I think.. what about you guys..bye

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spmandmtgr wrote:
what do you guys think about necorpotents I love it free cards woot for 3 mana wait wtf bargen is 6 and that was broken but now i get to do it for 3 woot woot ftw..

that what I think.. what about you guys..bye

I'm not entirely sure what I think...


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you don't intsa draw the cards - that's what's broken with bargian.


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spmandmtgr wrote:
what do you guys think about necorpotents I love it free cards woot for 3 mana wait wtf bargen is 6 and that was broken but now i get to do it for 3 woot woot ftw..

that what I think.. what about you guys..bye

Oh no, you did NOT just say what I think you said ....
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I think time vault should be banned.

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onlainari wrote:
I think time vault should be banned.
I do too, if they leave it with the power level errata removed. Tinker into it with a Key out and you win everytime. It's especially stupid in Sharuum because he gets Enlightened Tutor and all the black ones as well, and of course he can naturally recur it. Toss in Tezzeret and it's totally lame.

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Time Vault is still on the docket for banning in January. I haven't heard any major objection to banning it, but we decided to wait and see how it actually played out (usually with proxies) for a while first rather than "emergency" banning it.

In this respect, we have a lot more flexibility than WotC's R&D does vis a vis protecting a sanctioned format. If Time Vault is a problem for local groups it's the kind of card they'll have no problems banning locally (if it's a problem, it'll be an obvious one). Then we can make it official after a few months. If it turned out to be overblown, and we can all admit that happens often, then we'd have some actual evidence one way or another.

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Genomancer wrote:
Time Vault is still on the docket for banning in January.
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In this respect, we have a lot more flexibility than WotC's R&D does vis a vis protecting a sanctioned format. If Time Vault is a problem for local groups it's the kind of card they'll have no problems banning locally


Just adding 2c worth: we had a 40-player EDH "extravaganza" locally yesterday. Our conclusions:
1) ban Time Vault;
2) rework our unusual handling of duplicate Generals. (That's another story, for another time/place.)

We also saw a rather silly abuse of Time Stretch, but I don't know that it calls for a banning - just a re-telling:
Jhoira as the General; suspend Time Stretch - and none of us could do anything when it went off. Those extra turns resulted in major resets, including Sunder - and yet that player couldn't close the deal. (He did take me out before I got my 2nd land back in play...)

Anyway, Time Vault is now banned for FrontRangeMagic.com EDH events. Do what you will with that tidbit.

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Genomancer wrote:
Time Vault is still on the docket for banning in January.


Small oversight here... the next B&R update was scheduled for Dec 1, but we've decided to wait until after Worlds in Memphis, where copious amounts of EDH will be played by people from all over the world, before we make the final decisions and announcements.

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LoL you're gonna get HARSHED on by some vaultage then. Sadness at infinite combotastic edh without monstrous 44/44 creatures attacking.


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Genomancer wrote:
Time Vault is still on the docket for banning in January.


It's also banned for Worlds.


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I would be very surprised if it turned out to be safe, since it turns Tezzeret into a single-card win.


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Haha Genomancer just posted it up, TIme Vault will be banned at Worlds after all. Good decision :lol:


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Genomancer wrote:
I would be very surprised if it turned out to be safe


Oh, me too... I'd be stunned in fact. But there are some other things we're considering that we'd like to discuss in person and test out a bit more. Hence, TV goes for Worlds and the actual announcement gets pushed back for a couple of weeks.

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