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 Post subject: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 11:18 am 

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If you lost the game because you had 21 general on you, Lich's Mirror would trigger, then you would lose again as a state-based effect?
Will anything save your skin if a general smacks you for 21?

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 11:32 am 

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No matter how you lose, Lich's Mirror will give you a new life. General damage will all be erased since you've already lost to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 12:03 pm 
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Actually, I think Lich's Mirror would trigger, you'd resolve the trigger, and then die as a state-based effect. General damage doesn't "get erased" as far as I understand it (else lifegain would be way better than it is).

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 12:40 pm 
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Scout wrote:
Actually, I think Lich's Mirror would trigger, you'd resolve the trigger, and then die as a state-based effect. General damage doesn't "get erased" as far as I understand it (else lifegain would be way better than it is).


This is correct. After Lich's Mirror resolves from when you would normally lose to general damage, state-based effects are checked again, and you will lose immediately, as general damage cannot be erased or reversed.

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 12:48 pm 
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It doesn't actually "trigger" as it's a replacement effect. However, yes, you will still lose the game.

Interestingly enough, if you steal Lich's Mirror with something like Memnarch, and you then take 21+ points of general damage, the game will essentially end in a draw. You don't own Lich's Mirror, so it doesn't get shuffled in, and it will try to replace you losing the game each time state based actions are checked.

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AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 2:53 pm 
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HA! That is pretty neat.
Same as if you Donate/Bazaar Trader Lich's Mirror to someone, have Rain of Gore in play, and then kill them.
They will proceed to die infinite times and since it is an unbound loop, the game will end in a draw :3

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AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 2:58 pm 
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You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-14 3:20 pm 
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Filth wrote:
You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.


I chuckled. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-15 9:30 pm 
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Filth wrote:
You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.

That's one of the little joys of a game this complex - being able to set up really bizarre game states. Like making 2 "enchant permanent" auras enchant each other, so they keep each other in play. There was also an un-card one that involved an enchantment that says "the top card of your library is in play", so if you had on in play and one on top, then sacrificed everything you had in play except that top card, it would still be in play simply because it said so. Totally useless, but amusing.

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AgePosted: 2010-Feb-15 10:17 pm 
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Filth wrote:
You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.

Immortal Coil and a Platinum Angel. One artifact tells you you're a loser and the other says you can't be.

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-15 10:24 pm 

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Boshea wrote:
Filth wrote:
You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.

Immortal Coil and a Platinum Angel. One artifact tells you you're a loser and the other says you can't be.

so one is reality and the other is my mother?

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-15 11:51 pm 
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niheloim wrote:
Boshea wrote:
Filth wrote:
You don't know what Magic is until you've been caught in an unending loop of losing the game.

Immortal Coil and a Platinum Angel. One artifact tells you you're a loser and the other says you can't be.

so one is reality and the other is my mother?


i lol'd. i guess i haven't experienced Magic yet. i have been caught in the 10th subgame of a sharazad deck once though... between the other player and i, i think we went through two full stacks of sticky pads full of notes on game state, cards in hand, in play, etc, which sub games was where, i believe we ended the game at a different table from where we started... fun times.

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Feb-26 4:43 pm 
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Lich's Mirror with General Damaged happened at my playgroup. My friend had a combo with Lich's mirror and proceeded to think he was alive... I read the card, saw the innocent look on his face... and our group quietly discussed later that we would have our playgroup use the cards as it was intended by erasing the general damage from the player.

But maybe next time I will Aquire his Mirror for some extra fun, didn't know that was a loop, which ended the game in a draw.

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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Mar-02 2:19 pm 

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flavor wise it should erase the General Damage and give you a reset, haven't had the situation come up but I'd push hard for them to be able to continue


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 Post subject: Re: Lich's mirror - 21 general damage
AgePosted: 2010-Mar-02 2:31 pm 
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It does nothing to save your ass from poison counters either.

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