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 Post subject: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-09 6:14 pm 

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Ok so Gyre sage+experiment kraj+gilder bairn= infinite mana and counters?


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 Post subject: Re: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-09 7:31 pm 
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Yup. As long as you could tap kraj. How much mana you need to start it depends on how many counters you have on kraj and if you have any on gyre sage and gilder bairn. Then you could put all the counters on everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-10 3:20 am 

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Rollcage wrote:
Yup. As long as you could tap kraj. How much mana you need to start it depends on how many counters you have on kraj and if you have any on gyre sage and gilder bairn. Then you could put all the counters on everything.


Well, just keep doubling the counters on Kraj and tap it for mana, and repeat until satisfied? lol :D


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AgePosted: 2013-Jul-10 4:04 am 
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Bull wrote:
Rollcage wrote:
Yup. As long as you could tap kraj. How much mana you need to start it depends on how many counters you have on kraj and if you have any on gyre sage and gilder bairn. Then you could put all the counters on everything.


Well, just keep doubling the counters on Kraj and tap it for mana, and repeat until satisfied? lol :D

Assuming none had counters, you'd want to tap Kraj and put a counter on the Gilder Bairn, letting you use its untap ability, which you'd need to pay for with mana not from Kraj. Then you could tap it for a counter on the sage, and again untap itself, with mana from elsewhere. At this point, you'd have spent 6 mana, and you'd still need to put some counters on Kraj before you could tap it for mana and be able to go infinite. So it takes some setup, which is all rollcage is pointing out.

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 Post subject: Re: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-10 7:14 am 

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The Sage probably has a counter from evolve. Otherwise, this combo is just worse than the Viridian Joiner version, which has existed for years.

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AgePosted: 2013-Jul-10 7:54 am 
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Yeah, but now you have redundancy!


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 Post subject: Re: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-10 2:59 pm 
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crokaycete wrote:
The Sage probably has a counter from evolve. Otherwise, this combo is just worse than the Viridian Joiner version, which has existed for years.

Or Rofellos,, or Wirewood Channeler or Magus of the Coffers or Elvish Archdruid or Priest of Titania or... well there's a buttload of Kraj infinites out there, if you're looking for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Infinitant counters and mana with experiment kraj
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-12 4:10 am 

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All of those require multiple elves or multiple lands of a specific type. Those are far less robust in a Kraj deck. Both Joiner and Sage have the virtue of not caring about any outside cards.

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