Login | Register


All times are UTC - 7 hours


It is currently 2014-Nov-23 11:49 am




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 193 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 13  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 4:51 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2008-Aug-15 9:31 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Which direction would you like to see the format take:

1) Hybrid spells AND off color fetches both legalized in decks whose commander features only 1 of those colors
2) Hybrid spells AND off color fetches both banned from decks whose commander features only 1 of those colors
3)Hybrid spells banned from deck's whose commander features only 1 of those colors and off color fetches legalized in decks who's commander features only 1 of those basic land type generated colors [no change]
4) Hybrid spells legalized in deck's whose commander features only 1 of those colors and off color fetches banned in decks who's commander features only 1 of those basic land type generated colors

And why?


Last edited by trevor on 2013-Jan-15 9:24 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 4:53 am 

Joined: 2011-Sep-30 6:08 am
Age: Elder Dragon
3. It's fine as is, and anything else would require a quagmire of rules.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:01 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2012-Sep-16 3:17 am
Age: Elder Dragon
Are we only allowed these 3 options?

NINJA EDIT:

Ideally I'd like to see if where CI works, but cards in the deck are restricted to card color. You don't get the hybrids but you don't have to worry about Extort or cards that get nerfed like Mtenda Lion.

_________________
( (mc^2) (rt) (U+pV) )^3
My EDH Cube


Last edited by Tim Proctor on 2013-Jan-15 5:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:07 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2011-Aug-13 2:49 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
3. No change.

The current rules are easy to explain (even though Extort made it a little harder), and they present a flavorful restriction on deck construction.

_________________
My Commander decks:
Damia, Sage of Stone - Playing Rock in Commander.
Teysa, Orzhov Scion - Graveyard and token shenanigans.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Abusing counters for fun and profit.
Mayael the Anima - It's Timmytastic!
Azami, Lady of Scrolls - Built without shame. Only to be played in the most competitive metas.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:09 am 

Joined: 2008-Sep-25 5:27 pm
Age: Wyvern
Location: Iowa
I would really like for it to be choice 2, largely for aesthetics.

However, every attempt I've made/seen made by others so far to do that elegantly has been poor at best (usually creating all sorts of messy collateral damage), so I don't really see it happening. Granted, someone could come up with a slick way tomorrow and I could get behind it, but I certainly won't hold my breath.

Given that, I can accept choice 3.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:10 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2010-Sep-11 12:19 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Malekoda wrote:
3. No change.

The current rules are easy to explain (even though Extort made it a little harder), and they present a flavorful restriction on deck construction.

Agreed with this.

_________________
Ask Me Anything on Tumblr!

Quote:
The name calling on Joz is in good fun; he is self-labeled as a horrible troll but is actually the kind of person you want on a forum that you frequent.


EDH Deck List

Image


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:11 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2011-Oct-31 7:06 pm
Age: Dragon
crokaycete wrote:
3. It's fine as is, and anything else would require a quagmire of rules.


I don't think the "we want to keep the rules simple" is applicable for much longer. Eventually it will be smoother to just add more rules rather than constricting the format for the sake of a short list.

_________________
Quote from MaRo »
"Flavor is flexible enough that you can justify just about anything. The color pie has to be held mechanically to a higher standard."


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:12 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2010-Mar-12 3:20 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
crokaycete wrote:
3. It's fine as is, and anything else would require a quagmire of rules.


Allowing hybrids wouldn't really require a Quagmire of rules. It's actually very simple do do. It's not a change I'm necessarily in favor of, but I had to point out that allowing it wouldn't be that difficult, if that were what the RC wanted to do. (Which it isn't.)

Option 2, on the other hand, is basically impossible without literally spelling out, in the rules, what cards are and aren't allowed in what decks. Which will not ever happen, nor should it.

New Rule:
903.4. When determining a card's color identity, if a mana symbol has more then one color, it may be treated as if it were either any one of those colors or any combination of those colors.


Not the cleanest rule in the world, but it works, and it's easy to understand what it means and to explain what it means to anyone.
Now, allowing Phyrexian Mana would be harder, but then, I haven't heard anyone advocating for that either. (As much as I'd like to play Birthing Pod in every deck ever. ;) )

_________________
Current Commander Decks:
8.5 Tails
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Phenax, God of Deception
Prime Speaker Zegana

My general commander philosophy: Stealing your opponent's degenerate cards is far more satisfying then playing your own.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:15 am 

Joined: 2011-Apr-15 12:02 pm
Age: Drake
#3
Off-color fetches mostly just bother me because it looks like someone's being wasteful with money.

The alara shard lands I'm guilty of running because they're essentially really cheap dual lands. I'd feel bad about it except nah I don't really care to spend $$$ per card slot to upgrade them to on-theme lands which would be functionally better in every way. :)

Otherwise there's so many other things that could annoy me so much more in a game of commander than off-type fetch lands. For instance, I'm still mad about that one time somebody played humility in one game like a year ago.

I like the restriction on hybrid cards, personally, because it limits more what cards can be played in a deck, and for some reason I find "good staples to put in every deck" the most offensive of card types. Trying to find a general with a large enough color identity to run whatever hybrids you want just seems like a part of the game to me.

Also, "is there an off-color mana symbol not in the flavor text" is a really easy rule to remember for deck construction.

--edit: This is slightly bothering me. You can play fetchlands with no basic land type and no mana symbol in any deck, they just tend to not work well. Naya panorama works for colorless generals, for instance. Unless I'm confused here.

_________________
Current Generals:
Child of Alara: Sideboard, the deck
Heartless Hidetsugu: Does what every other Heartless deck does.
Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Rebel Elf Ball
Patron of the Kitsune: Foxes are a strong tribal, right?


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:32 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2010-Mar-12 3:20 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
brainface wrote:
Off-color fetches mostly just bother me because it looks like someone's being wasteful with money.

Wasteful? I have playsets (or more) of all the fetchlands, most of which I opened or traded for when they were standard legal. It would seem more wasteful to me to *not* play them. :?

_________________
Current Commander Decks:
8.5 Tails
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Phenax, God of Deception
Prime Speaker Zegana

My general commander philosophy: Stealing your opponent's degenerate cards is far more satisfying then playing your own.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:39 am 
User avatar

Joined: 2011-Feb-07 3:37 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
Location: The Hinterlands
3. No Change

Off-color fetches moderately annoy me (as does the current Extort conundrum), but not enough for me to feel like a change is warranted. If I were to rattle off a list of the top 10 things that annoy me most about EDH, I'm not sure any of the elements listed in this poll would make the top 25.

_________________
Sanity links...
Kaervek
Vorosh


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:41 am 

Joined: 2008-Nov-30 12:36 pm
Age: Elder Dragon
I vote for #1 or #2.

#3 is a double-standard. double standards will be confusing to new players because Thing A should work the same as Thing B, but it doesn't. That's weird. It also does not serve the flavor of the format to have confusing double standards like this.

Personally I can't stand the off-color Fetches thing, so I don't know that I'd actually like off-color hybrids. I'm arguing on their behalf simply because I can't stand inconsistencies that don't make sense..., like off-color fetches being legal while off-color hybrids are not.

_________________
The Command Zone (my MTG Blog).
Holy freaking crap, I updated my blog!.
"Winter is coming."


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 5:55 am 

Joined: 2011-Apr-15 12:02 pm
Age: Drake
kaldare wrote:
brainface wrote:
Off-color fetches mostly just bother me because it looks like someone's being wasteful with money.

Wasteful? I have playsets (or more) of all the fetchlands, most of which I opened or traded for when they were standard legal. It would seem more wasteful to me to *not* play them. :?

It may be an irrational response. :)

_________________
Current Generals:
Child of Alara: Sideboard, the deck
Heartless Hidetsugu: Does what every other Heartless deck does.
Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Rebel Elf Ball
Patron of the Kitsune: Foxes are a strong tribal, right?


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 6:28 am 

Joined: 2012-Apr-11 7:17 am
Age: Elder Dragon
I prefer #2, but I cannot come up with a good rules that has no colaterall damage to stop off color fetches.

Therefore I live with #3.

thaumaturge wrote:
I vote for #1 or #2.

#3 is a double-standard. double standards will be confusing to new players because Thing A should work the same as Thing B, but it doesn't. That's weird. It also does not serve the flavor of the format to have confusing double standards like this.

Has anyone ever heard someone call color identity a double standard outside thamaturge?

_________________
sir squab wrote:
My... history of buying Magic cards is probably a tapestry of bad financial decisions >_>


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Poll: off color fetches and hybrid spells
AgePosted: 2013-Jan-15 6:44 am 

Joined: 2012-Apr-19 6:19 am
Age: Dragon
Ideally 2, but 3 in practice. The people running off-colour fetchlands generally don't care about flavour, and they aren't usually gaining enough of an advantage off it to be worth worrying about.

_________________
Patrick Sullivan wrote:
Your opponent might not be a rocket scientist when he kills you with Primeval Titan but you didn't exactly discover time travel by deciding to Mana Leak it.


Top
 Offline Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 193 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 13  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 12 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: