Which direction would you like to see the format take:

1) Hybrid spells AND off color fetches both legalized in decks whose commander features only 1 of those colors
2) Hybrid spells AND off color fetches both banned from decks whose commander features only 1 of those colors
3)Hybrid spells banned from deck's whose commander features only 1 of those colors and off color fetches legalized in decks who's commander features only 1 of those basic land type generated colors [no change]
4) Hybrid spells legalized in deck's whose commander features only 1 of those colors and off color fetches banned in decks who's commander features only 1 of those basic land type generated colors

And why?

3. It's fine as is, and anything else would require a quagmire of rules.

Are we only allowed these 3 options?

NINJA EDIT:

Ideally I'd like to see if where CI works, but cards in the deck are restricted to card color. You don't get the hybrids but you don't have to worry about Extort or cards that get nerfed like Mtenda Lion.

3. No change.

The current rules are easy to explain (even though Extort made it a little harder), and they present a flavorful restriction on deck construction.

I would really like for it to be choice 2, largely for aesthetics.

However, every attempt I've made/seen made by others so far to do that elegantly has been poor at best (usually creating all sorts of messy collateral damage), so I don't really see it happening. Granted, someone could come up with a slick way tomorrow and I could get behind it, but I certainly won't hold my breath.

Given that, I can accept choice 3.

Agreed with this.

I don't think the "we want to keep the rules simple" is applicable for much longer. Eventually it will be smoother to just add more rules rather than constricting the format for the sake of a short list.

Allowing hybrids wouldn't really require a Quagmire of rules. It's actually very simple do do. It's not a change I'm necessarily in favor of, but I had to point out that allowing it wouldn't be that difficult, if that were what the RC wanted to do. (Which it isn't.)

Option 2, on the other hand, is basically impossible without literally spelling out, in the rules, what cards are and aren't allowed in what decks. Which will not ever happen, nor should it.

New Rule:


Not the cleanest rule in the world, but it works, and it's easy to understand what it means and to explain what it means to anyone.
Now, allowing Phyrexian Mana would be harder, but then, I haven't heard anyone advocating for that either. (As much as I'd like to play Birthing Pod in every deck ever. )

#3
Off-color fetches mostly just bother me because it looks like someone's being wasteful with money.

The alara shard lands I'm guilty of running because they're essentially really cheap dual lands. I'd feel bad about it except nah I don't really care to spend $$$ per card slot to upgrade them to on-theme lands which would be functionally better in every way.

Otherwise there's so many other things that could annoy me so much more in a game of commander than off-type fetch lands. For instance, I'm still mad about that one time somebody played humility in one game like a year ago.

I like the restriction on hybrid cards, personally, because it limits more what cards can be played in a deck, and for some reason I find "good staples to put in every deck" the most offensive of card types. Trying to find a general with a large enough color identity to run whatever hybrids you want just seems like a part of the game to me.

Also, "is there an off-color mana symbol not in the flavor text" is a really easy rule to remember for deck construction.

--edit: This is slightly bothering me. You can play fetchlands with no basic land type and no mana symbol in any deck, they just tend to not work well. Naya panorama works for colorless generals, for instance. Unless I'm confused here.

Wasteful? I have playsets (or more) of all the fetchlands, most of which I opened or traded for when they were standard legal. It would seem more wasteful to me to *not* play them.

3. No Change

Off-color fetches moderately annoy me (as does the current Extort conundrum), but not enough for me to feel like a change is warranted. If I were to rattle off a list of the top 10 things that annoy me most about EDH, I'm not sure any of the elements listed in this poll would make the top 25.

I vote for #1 or #2.

#3 is a double-standard. double standards will be confusing to new players because Thing A should work the same as Thing B, but it doesn't. That's weird. It also does not serve the flavor of the format to have confusing double standards like this.

Personally I can't stand the off-color Fetches thing, so I don't know that I'd actually like off-color hybrids. I'm arguing on their behalf simply because I can't stand inconsistencies that don't make sense..., like off-color fetches being legal while off-color hybrids are not.

It may be an irrational response.

I prefer #2, but I cannot come up with a good rules that has no colaterall damage to stop off color fetches.

Therefore I live with #3.


Has anyone ever heard someone call color identity a double standard outside thamaturge?

Ideally 2, but 3 in practice. The people running off-colour fetchlands generally don't care about flavour, and they aren't usually gaining enough of an advantage off it to be worth worrying about.