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Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand
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Author:  Master Baiter [ 2012-Jun-19 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Please ignore this thread if you hate Griselbrand or are extremely happy about its banning.

Griselbrand, you have not been with us for very long, but we must say goodbye. You are a badass card, you make black a stronger color, you have massive flavor value to combat the recent surge of angels, but you are just too strong to keep. I'm going to miss dropping you and kicking everyone's ass with my Kaalia deck. Today is the last day we have with you, so let's not waste it.

-Master Baiter.

Author:  TheDoctor [ 2012-Jun-19 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

I'm more sad about Sundering Titan. I was the only guy playing it in my group(s) and really it wasn't terribly broken how I played with it. There was a plan to get it altered like my Darksteel Colossus and Steel Hellkite... good thing I didn't waste the money.

Good bye Sundering Titan. Now I must replace you with some other janky artifact creature or Blightsteel Colossus.

Author:  thaumaturge [ 2012-Jun-19 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

On the one hand, I think the RC made the right decision, without caveat.

On the other hand, if we're allowing "but..." caveats... I am sad to see him go so quickly.

I JUST friggin got my Savra deck tuned up to be playable. Griselbrand was undeniably the centerpeice of that deck, though I was careful to balance it so that abusing him wasn't going to be the Plan A every single game.

Now I'll never get to know if I hit the target with that deck or not. :(

Also, I think Grizzelbees is legit in Kaalia decks. Those decks desperately need the gas to keep applying pressure through removal. I'd be willing to house-rule allowing Grizzelbees to be played in Kaalia decks only, because frankly they need the help.

(Then again, I've yet to see a Kaalia deck lose a game after dropping Griselbanned regardless of what turn it is. He hits play, it might be over immediately or it could take another half-hour but his presence definitely decides the outcome one way or another.)

Well, I'm off to completely redo the fucking deck I just spent two weeks working on and have to now overhaul before I could play more than two live games with... :(

Author:  Viperion [ 2012-Jun-19 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

thaumaturge wrote:
Well, I'm off to completely redo the fucking deck I just spent two weeks working on and have to now overhaul before I could play more than two live games with... :(
Thaum, you know I have a lot of respect for you (btw, played the Doran deck you rebuilt for me last night - had a BLAST and the deck is awesome :D ) but if you have to "completely redo" the deck because one card got banned - not even the general! - wouldn't that point to that one card being format-altering (or at the very least deck-altering) and therefore worthy of the ban?

Author:  Joz [ 2012-Jun-19 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

*takes deep breath*

AND GOOD RIDDANCE!

Author:  Epsilon [ 2012-Jun-19 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

thaumaturge wrote:
On the one hand, I think the RC made the right decision, without caveat.

On the other hand, if we're allowing "but..." caveats... I am sad to see him go so quickly.

I JUST friggin got my Savra deck tuned up to be playable. Griselbrand was undeniably the centerpeice of that deck, though I was careful to balance it so that abusing him wasn't going to be the Plan A every single game.

Now I'll never get to know if I hit the target with that deck or not. :(

Also, I think Grizzelbees is legit in Kaalia decks. Those decks desperately need the gas to keep applying pressure through removal. I'd be willing to house-rule allowing Grizzelbees to be played in Kaalia decks only, because frankly they need the help.

(Then again, I've yet to see a Kaalia deck lose a game after dropping Griselbanned regardless of what turn it is. He hits play, it might be over immediately or it could take another half-hour but his presence definitely decides the outcome one way or another.)

Well, I'm off to completely redo the fucking deck I just spent two weeks working on and have to now overhaul before I could play more than two live games with... :(


Kaalia decks do not need any help... They got enough boost from AVR that even without Griselbrand they're just fine.

Author:  Master Baiter [ 2012-Jun-19 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Epsilon wrote:
thaumaturge wrote:
On the one hand, I think the RC made the right decision, without caveat.

On the other hand, if we're allowing "but..." caveats... I am sad to see him go so quickly.

I JUST friggin got my Savra deck tuned up to be playable. Griselbrand was undeniably the centerpeice of that deck, though I was careful to balance it so that abusing him wasn't going to be the Plan A every single game.

Now I'll never get to know if I hit the target with that deck or not. :(

Also, I think Grizzelbees is legit in Kaalia decks. Those decks desperately need the gas to keep applying pressure through removal. I'd be willing to house-rule allowing Grizzelbees to be played in Kaalia decks only, because frankly they need the help.

(Then again, I've yet to see a Kaalia deck lose a game after dropping Griselbanned regardless of what turn it is. He hits play, it might be over immediately or it could take another half-hour but his presence definitely decides the outcome one way or another.)

Well, I'm off to completely redo the fucking deck I just spent two weeks working on and have to now overhaul before I could play more than two live games with... :(


Kaalia decks do not need any help... They got enough boost from AVR that even without Griselbrand they're just fine.

cough*Gisela and Avacyn,*cough

Author:  CrazyPierre [ 2012-Jun-19 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Joz wrote:
*takes deep breath*

AND GOOD RIDDANCE!

This.

While I'll miss going:

"Sundering Titan, Sculpting Steel Sundering Titan, Goblin Welder the Sculpting Steel into Winter Orb end of turn", this is nothing but a positive change.

Griselbrand was beyond ridiculous so won't be shedding a tear there.
Good job RC! :)

Author:  Surging Chaos [ 2012-Jun-19 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

"Dear Griselbrand,

You were su..."

Banned.

There you go, my goodbye letter to Griselbrand. Cut short beyond imagination.

Author:  Sid the Chicken [ 2012-Jun-19 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Managed to not have to face Griselbanned. Not gonna complain.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO SUNDERING TITAN!

And Kaalia decks DO NOT need the help. Having to put up with turn 4 Avacyn or Angel of Despair is bad enough thank you very much.

Author:  niheloim [ 2012-Jun-19 11:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Gonna say, had more fun with grissy than with most generals in my monoblack. Certainly played better than Geth for everyone at the table... but we all try to play fairly. I can imagine how bad he could be for groups with a few a holes.

Author:  thaumaturge [ 2012-Jun-20 5:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Viperion wrote:
Thaum, you know I have a lot of respect for you (btw, played the Doran deck you rebuilt for me last night - had a BLAST and the deck is awesome ) but if you have to "completely redo" the deck because one card got banned - not even the general! - wouldn't that point to that one card being format-altering (or at the very least deck-altering) and therefore worthy of the ban?


A) You're absolutely right, and I already knew that - that's why I said it was the right move on the RC's part, even if it spoils my fun a bit.

B) I was intentionally overstating the case, in the spirit of this thread which is fairly absurd. I was going for obvious over-the-top but I guess I missed the mark. In the end, I'm only changing three cards as a direct result of the ban, but the lack of Griselbrand is still HUGELY significant since I pretty much built the deck primarly as a way to abuse his power while he was still legal - just took a bit too long to actually get it up and running. :(



C) Glad to hear Doran is working out okay! :)

Author:  Viperion [ 2012-Jun-20 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

:) Sorry mate, my exaggeration-ometer must have been broken (shakes it vigorously, cogs and springs fall out) :D

Author:  thaumaturge [ 2012-Jun-20 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Viperion wrote:
:) Sorry mate, my exaggeration-ometer must have been broken (shakes it vigorously, cogs and springs fall out) :D


No worries. It's a simple fact of internet communication that not everything always carries over.

Author:  Uktabi_Kong [ 2012-Jun-20 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Goodbye Letter to Griselbrand

Goodbye Toby, it's been nice. Hope you find your, paradise! Come tomorrow, feel no pain! FEEL NO PAIN!

Toby! Toby! Toobbyyy! Toby's goin' away!

See ya! He's going! See ya! He's outta here!

Oh yeah! Goodbye Toby! Goodbye Toby! Goodbye Toby! Goodbye Toby!

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