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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-01 7:40 pm 

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Kemev wrote:
I'm assuming I'm experiencing temporary blindness, but, uh, Fanatic of Mogis?


Indeed. The very first sentence of the OP. His emphasis.

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Deckbuilding Rule: if a non-land card has its converted mana cost equal to 1, then its mana cost must include {R}. If a non-land card has converted mana cost greater than 1, then its mana cost must include {R}{R}. If a non-land card has converted mana cost equal to zero, then it must have a Red indicator.


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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-01 11:14 pm 
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green slime wrote:
Kemev wrote:
I'm assuming I'm experiencing temporary blindness, but, uh, Fanatic of Mogis?


Indeed. The very first sentence of the OP. His emphasis.

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Deckbuilding Rule: if a non-land card has its converted mana cost equal to 1, then its mana cost must include {R}. If a non-land card has converted mana cost greater than 1, then its mana cost must include {R}{R}. If a non-land card has converted mana cost equal to zero, then it must have a Red indicator.

Yes, an unfortunate consequence. It seems some of the cards with devotion in their text aren't actually very devoted at all. In fact, all three mono-Red cards with devotion in their text don't fit my rule (because, of course, my arbitrary rules should have been prophesied and taken into account during the design process for Theros a few years ago, lol).

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-01 11:23 pm 

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Segrus wrote:
If only Greater Gargadon's cost didn't prohibit me from running it. See the deckbuilding rule at the top of the page for reference.
Converted Mana Cost aside, Greater Gargadon has an actual mana cost of R.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-01 11:53 pm 
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Segrus wrote:
If only Greater Gargadon's cost didn't prohibit me from running it. See the deckbuilding rule at the top of the page for reference.
Converted Mana Cost aside, Greater Gargadon has an actual mana cost of R.

I'm going to be sticking to my rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-02 12:31 am 
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Last night I watched Flowstone Overseer threaten and succeed in eating up several of the creatures on the board. I think Fire Servant is coming out for either Torchling or the Overseer.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-02 5:42 am 

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Segrus wrote:
Last night I watched Flowstone Overseer threaten and succeed in eating up several of the creatures on the board. I think Fire Servant is coming out for either Torchling or the Overseer.


Huh, never noticed how Flowstone Overseer targets any creature. Here was me autothinking it only affected itself.... this reading business might just be useful...


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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-02 5:50 am 
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It's suddenly very tempting to find a spot for Flowstone Slide. The look on people's faces when I kill off, say, Avacyn, Angel of Hope and everything that player controls with a Red card would be priceless. Gloriously priceless.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-02 9:04 am 

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Still, very, very difficult to do without mana ramp of any kind. (well, beyond mana geyser)


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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-03 1:14 am 
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So I got to play this deck against two worthy opponents, green slime (Olivia Voldaren) and Antis (Evershrike as a general). Somehow, it managed to actually work fairly well. I had green slime down to 7 life and Antis at 18 life while I still sat up at 34 life, with Stigma Lasher pseudo-emblems locking everyone down permanently. At the same time, I don't think the deck is particularly oppressive. I swung nearly every turn, and opened myself up to plenty of attacks and opportunities to disrupt me.

I think there were a few poor choices on my part while piloting the deck, but overall not horrible. Early mana appears to be essential, but getting up to a solid seven mana seemed to be necessary also (I only got to 6 mana). Seven mana in that game would have opened me up to the Molten Primordial and Tyrant of Discord I was holding, both of which could have meant game for me at different times (*could have*). The game definitely turned when I stopped playing significant threats. Suddenly a bunch of vampires showed up as blockers, and then Evershrike swept in for general damage under a Spirit Mantle shield.

My plan is to take out a card or two for more lands, and then switch out some for draw/discard cards. Hopefully that will help me either draw into more land or discard bunches of extra land I run into.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-04 5:12 pm 
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Huh...I never noticed you had mana issues of thet kind during that game. Guess I was too busy trying to run a new deck right...

Also, totally support the inclusion of Flowstone Overseer. It flow-rocks!
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Ok, that was lame :)

Also, as you write in your OP, you can't really go much more burn-y and devotion-y than Obsidian Fireheart. I mean, it freaking has the word "burn" in the reminder text, of all places! If only Burning Cinder Fury of Crimson Chaos Fire fit into your requirements...

Also, Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker looks cool HOT for the deck, no?

The deck wasn't oppressive, just a nice aggro we had plenty of opportunities to disrupt. Totally ok by me. Will gladly help you with more testing :)

(Note to self: Watch out for hasty Márton next time.)

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-04 11:44 pm 

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Biggest issue with Marton, is that he needs to attack, and he doesn't boost himself.

This means (IMO) he shouldn't be played early, but only when going for the kill, as he'll be blocked and killed.

As Marton costs 4 to cast, and you basically don't have any mana ramp at all, he'll quickly get too expensive to cast.

Raging river, false orders, hearth charm, and panic could be used, as well as the aforementioned Torchling


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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-09 11:22 pm 
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green slime wrote:
Biggest issue with Marton, is that he needs to attack, and he doesn't boost himself.

This means (IMO) he shouldn't be played early, but only when going for the kill, as he'll be blocked and killed.

As Marton costs 4 to cast, and you basically don't have any mana ramp at all, he'll quickly get too expensive to cast.

Raging river, false orders, hearth charm, and panic could be used, as well as the aforementioned Torchling

Also, Maze of Ith. I just don't have another Maze of Ith lying about the place...at least I don't think so...

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 Post subject: Re: Solid Red Devotion: Marton Stromgald
AgePosted: 2014-Oct-11 7:08 am 
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Okay, so I spent a little bit of money (as in $4 or so, plus a thirty minute drive), to make some changes to this deck.

- Burn at the Stake...............................+ Obsidian Fireheart
- Hammer of Bogardan..........................+ Torchling
- Ignition Team.....................................+ Hateflayer
- Fire Servant.......................................+ Thunderblust
- Chain Lightning...................................+ Firecat Blitz
- Lightning Bolt.....................................+ Tempt with Vengeance
- Harness by Force................................+ Archetype of Aggression
- Glacial Chasm.....................................+ Maze of Ith

Lots of better cards, better board impact, and a card for protecting Marton. The cards I've removed were low-impact, requires highly specific combinations, or are just plain bad. I wasn't able to get my hands on a Pulse of the Forge, Dragonmaster Outcast, or Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker yet (although, Sarkhan mostly due to his current price). The deck should have a little more consistency though.

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