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 Post subject: Karador White Rock needs help cutting cards
AgePosted: 2012-Apr-02 2:49 pm 
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Location: South Caroline
Creatures: 39
Serra Ascendant
Scavenging Ooze
Qasali Pridemage
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Stoneforge Mystic
Saffi Eriksdotter
Dauntless Escort
Wood Elves
Fleshbag Marauder
Eternal Witness
Knight of the Reliquary
Solemn Simulacrum
Oracle of Mul Daya
Graveborn Muse
Shriekmaw
Reveillark
Karmic Guide
Stonehewer Giant
Indrik Stomphowler
Acidic Slime
Archon of Justice
Bloodgift Demon
Mikaeus, The Unhallowed
Sun Titan
Brutalizer Exarch
Sunblast Angel
Reaper from the Abyss
Duplicant
Primeval Titan
Teneb, The Harvester
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Sheoldred, Whispering One
Angel of Despair
Terastodon
Woodfall Primus
Myojin of Night's Reach
Karador, Ghost Chieftain -- General
Dread Cacodemon
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

Artifacts: 5
Sensei's Divining Top
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Feast and Famine
Birthing Pod

Enchantments: 3
Sylvan Library
Pernicious Deed
Phyrexian Arena

Instants: 7
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile
Condemn
Vampiric Tutor
Eladamri's Call
Beast Within
Chord of Calling

Sorceries: 10
Innocent Blood -- Worth it?
Demonic Tutor
Vindicate
Maelstrom Pulse
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Skyshroud Claim
Planar Cleansing
Akroma's Vengeance
Austere Command

Lands: 38
Bayou
Scrubland
Savannah
Overgrown Tomb
Godless Shrine
Temple Garden
Twilight Mire
Fetid Heath
Wooded Bastion
Woodland Cemetery
Isolated Chapel
Sunpetal Grove
Golgari Rot Farm
Orzhov Basilica
Selesnya Sanctuary
Murmuring Bosk
Command Tower
Bojuka Bog
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Flagstones of Trokair
Kor Haven
Homeward Path
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Tectonic Edge
Krosan Verge
Vault of the Archangel
Tainted Field
Tainted Wood
Forest x3
Swamp x3
Plains x3

I really enjoy the red zone. I always enjoyed playing the Rock. I've enjoyed playing my Red Rock with Karthus, but I wanted to make a white rock variant to get Vindicate and other cool stuff. I like the idea of being able to play Doran as the General because he's a good solid early threat, but the consistency and card advantage from Karador seems really good too. I know that I'm not really taking advantage of Doran's P/T switch, but I'm a "good stuff" type EDHer. Please suggest up to 4 cards to cut. If there's anything obvious that I've missed feel free to suggest it. Thanks again.

edit: Added the 3 creatures I missed when typing it out from a list: Stoneforge Mystic, Fleshbag Marauder and Reaper from the Abyss.

Cut list: 7
Doran, The Siege Tower
Divinity of Pride
Barter in Blood
Debtors' Knell
Hallowed Burial
Harmonic Sliver
Beacon of Unrest

As pointed out, Doran is a really good creature, but little to no synergy with the deck and Karador seems to be a better general. Maybe I'll change that later on, who knows. Barter in Blood is getting cut because I have both Fleshbag Marauder and Innocent Blood. Debtors' Knell is amazing, but I apparently traded my copy and I don't want to have to scrounge up another one just to see it destroyed (most of my group runs a good amount of artifact/enchantment hate). Hallowed Burial is getting cut for right now, but it's going back in. Still need 4 cards to cut.

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Karrthus--Aggro Control/Red Rock
Karrador--Aggro Control/White Rock
Captain Sisay--Aggro Control


Last edited by rlien56 on 2012-Apr-04 8:36 pm, edited 5 times in total.

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 Post subject: Re: White Rock needs help cutting cards
AgePosted: 2012-Apr-02 3:57 pm 
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Goodstuff.dec is goodstuff. Moving along....

To your questions: Karador is perfect for a Rock-type deck.
Debtor's Knell is worth it, but be prepared for it to be blown up regularly. Drop it when you know/suspect your opponents are out of answers
Innocent Blood/Barter in Blood quite often gets rid of things that are otherwise hard to touch

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 Post subject: Re: White Rock needs help cutting cards
AgePosted: 2012-Apr-02 4:35 pm 
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Agree with Karador over Doran. Doran is best for a specific deck type, Karador is just a plain badass that works very well with rock decks.

You need to get rid of 7 cards if I counted right (and by the way, you have 39 creatures, not 42). I already said that Karador>Doran, and Doran is nowhere near good enough to make it as a non-general, so that's one off the bat. Here's my ideas:

If you want to get rid of the top 6 biggest douche cards (in order from biggest douche to least douche):
-Black Myojin
-Elesh Norn
-Sylvan Library/Top (they both do the same thing kinda, but having only one isn't that big of a dick move)
-Serra Ascendant
-Prime Time
-Woody and Terry

If you want to get rid of the top 6 weakest cards (again, in order of worst to best):
-Innocent Blood
-Hallowed Burial (you have to much recursion to choose tuck over just plain wrath)
-Debtors' Knell (in my experience, it always gets Kgripped right away)
-Divinity of Pride (it's just dumb, undercosted fat that has flying and lifelink. Plus your green mana is unusable on it.
-Stonehewer Giant (with only three equipment, I think the deck thinning/tutors you already have are enough)
-Brutilizer Exarch

Dark Mike would go on the list for dbag, but you thankfully don't have Trike or any unbounded sac engines.

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 Post subject: Re: White Rock needs help cutting cards
AgePosted: 2012-Apr-02 8:54 pm 
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Updated OP after seeing that I missed a few cards and with the current cut list. Just as an FYI, my playgroup for the most part is pretty interactive/red zone oriented and mostly competitive as compared to cutthroat or casual.

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Karrthus--Aggro Control/Red Rock
Karrador--Aggro Control/White Rock
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