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 Post subject: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-04 8:38 am 
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Hi, folks!

I was having a hard time falling asleep yesterday and I kept thinking about MTG and I got this idea—I'm sure I'm not the first one—of inverted Commander decks. That is, you have a commander like normal, but instead of using that commander's color identity to build the deck, you use its inverted color identity instead. For example, if the commander is Izzet (UR), you have to use Abzan (WBG) identity cards. Yes, you'd need five-color mana sources to cast and in some cases to use your commander, but that's just part of the challenge, I reckon (Chromatic Lantern FTW!).

Basically, this is all the times when you thought "Argh! I wanna play THIS card with THIS commander, but it's the wrong color! :( " combined.

What would be some fun uses of such a deckbuilding rule? I stress the fun part, I'm not interested in obviously broken stuff here. Anyone can do that. I seek creativity.

So far, I had two ideas:

Mono-R Atraxa:
I've been tinkering with red planeswalkers lately for Torbran and other decks, plus there's all kinds of random silly cards like good ol' Goblin Bomb that I think this could be a fun little experiment.

Golgari Zedruu:
I'll just leave this small list of cards here:
Demonic Pact
Forbidden Crypt
Immortal Coil
Lich
Lich's Mastery
Lich's Tomb
Nefarious Lich

Yes, it would require severe color fixing, but hey, I've got green. And whaddya know, green also happens to be very good at destroying enchatments and artifacts...

Let's go wild, people! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-04 3:19 pm 
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Oh man. This definitely presents interesting deck building opportunities...

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 3:43 am 

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Wow, Gwub Zada,? Yikes!


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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 4:31 am 
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WURG Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. All that ramp for damage.

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 7:07 am 
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NMS wrote:
Wow, Gwub Zada,? Yikes!

Although this likely wouldn't be too different from just General Tazri with Zada as a 'secret' commander.
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Worst idea: mono White Yidris.
A better (?) idea: Bant Rakdos, Lord of Riots. Lots of creatures, great ramp and unblockable to get Rakdos out consistently, and counter spell backup.

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 8:30 am 
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RUG Athreos :D

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 3:46 pm 

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Segrus wrote:
NMS wrote:
Wow, Gwub Zada,? Yikes!

Although this likely wouldn't be too different from just General Tazri with Zada as a 'secret' commander.
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Yeah, but it's faster and more resistant to removal when Zada is actually the commander. Though it's harder to give your team haste.

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Worst idea: mono White Yidris.

That's not great, but non-red Torbran and colorless Atogatog are probably worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 4:27 pm 
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Tazri + Zada
Reminds me of that guy in my LGS some years back who had a Karador-actually-Lin Sivvi deck. Rebels with Living Death, that's about all you need to know. Might be worthy of a separate thtead, actually—decks that use a commander, but actually are based on a different commander that's in the 99.

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Mono-W Yidris
That could be very interesting. If one could construct a robust enough manabase to consistently cast him, cascade would give Mono-W the card advantage it needs to prevail.

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Non-R Torbran
Just brainstorming here:

Painter's Servant
Sleight of Mind and variants
Blind Seer
Transguild Courier + Sphinx of the Guildpact
Thornbite Staff

No idea if a somewhat consistent deck could be made out of all this, but hey—at least there are options.

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Colorless Atogatog
Yeah...I got nothin'.

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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-05 10:55 pm 

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Colorless slivers. Probably the best thing to see across from you.


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 Post subject: Re: Inverted Commander
AgePosted: 2019-Dec-06 3:22 am 
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NMS wrote:
Segrus wrote:
NMS wrote:
Wow, Gwub Zada,? Yikes!

Although this likely wouldn't be too different from just General Tazri with Zada as a 'secret' commander.
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

Yeah, but it's faster and more resistant to removal when Zada is actually the commander. Though it's harder to give your team haste.

Segrus wrote:
Worst idea: mono White Yidris.

That's not great, but non-red Torbran and colorless Atogatog are probably worse.

It may be stronger against removal, but all I was wanting to do is point out you can play 5C Zada if you wanted to. I've had cards for it set aside for some time now.

And I should have put *my* worst idea rather than total worst idea. Colorless Atogatog isn't impossible though. Helm of Hosts and other colorless copy effects with Mirror Gallery. It wouldn't be good, but is technically doable.

cryogen wrote:
Colorless slivers. Probably the best thing to see across from you.

Could likely still combo off with Queen using only colorless cards. Sliver Legion and Hivestone would still be nasty; Hivelord too. Hmm...I've been wanting to build The First Sliver, but haven't wanted to take apart my Hivelord deck to do it. Maybe I'll making colorless Hivelord and see how it does.

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