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 Post subject: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 9:26 am 

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Any chance it will get banned as a commander? It seems pretty abusable. Like with Food Chain (infinite mana/lock out combo).
Or perhaps this card will get food chain banned.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 9:30 am 
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Any chance it will get banned as a commander? It seems pretty abusable. Like with Food Chain (infinite mana/lock out combo)

As has been discussed elsewhere on the boards, Food Chain is a bombo - his ability isn't casting a creature spell.

Also, I highly doubt they would ban this as a general ever, and certainly not pre-emptively.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 9:31 am 

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Sid the Chicken wrote:
Temennigru wrote:
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Any chance it will get banned as a commander? It seems pretty abusable. Like with Food Chain (infinite mana/lock out combo)

As has been discussed elsewhere on the boards, Food Chain is a bombo - his ability isn't casting a creature spell.

lol never saw that part of the card (only casting creature spells).

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 9:31 am 
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This has been dealt with in other threads.

Food Chain gives one one colour of mana
Food Chain lets you cast a creature spell
Activtating Derevi's ability is NOT casting a creature spell.

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EDIT: Nath'd by Sid. Thanks Sid. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 9:33 am 

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Viperion wrote:
This has been dealt with in other threads.

Food Chain gives one one colour of mana
Food Chain lets you cast a creature spell
Activtating Derevi's ability is NOT casting a creature spell.

/thread.

EDIT: Nath'd by Sid. Thanks Sid. :D

Still i don't think we're very far off from a nasty 2 card combo.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
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No more broken than Misthollow Griffin + Food Chain, which is just another silly infinite.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 10:11 am 
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No more broken than Misthollow Griffin + Food Chain, which is just another silly infinite.

I remember when AVR came out and a bunch of my buddies were all like "Have you seen Misthollow Griffin? That card is going to BREAK Legacy!"

Lolz. Good times.

On a related note, fake-casting Birdman infinite times is no more broken than say, Proshh + Phyrexian Altar. These precon guys seem pretty much designed from the ground up to be combo commanders.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
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Kaalia has done worse things, and I'm fairly sure it's not on any EDH rules committee list. The five 2013 commanders spoiled so far don't seem as broken as Kaalia.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 10:38 am 
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I don't understand why people are panicking over Derevi when Prossh actually goes infinite with Food Chain. If you're worried that there's going to be an abusable general that does broken things in annoying decks, that guy seems like your man.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 10:40 am 
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I'm actually starting to fear for Purphoros, God of the Forge. At first sight, he seems a very cool general and fun to build around... until you start dealing 10 damage a turn with a million goblin tokens and Norin the Wary, or Squee, Goblin Nabob. When built correctly, even without infinite combos, he can still finish the game before the 10th turn easily. Being indestructible certainly doesn't help the situation, and even less so when used as a general. I don't know what is everyone's experience with him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him banned as a general somewhere in the future.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
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Considering how bad red is in EDH, I would think it would be a pity to ban him. He's one of the few good cards the color has.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 10:56 am 
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People need to stop spouting BANBANBAN whenever anything new comes out. Even moreso when they haven't even taken the time to read the bloody cards.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
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Aggro_zombies wrote:
Considering how bad red is in EDH, I would think it would be a pity to ban him. He's one of the few good cards the color has.



Red is bad?

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 10:58 am 
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The first time I cast Purphoros, I proxied him into my Nin. I cast him on the second turn via Sol Ring and proceeded to FRY my poor buddy for 26 with Mr. P. alone in a few turns. And after seeing some proposed decklists with him as general... I can't say I'd be surprised to see him banned as general.

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 Post subject: Re: Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
AgePosted: 2013-Oct-10 11:00 am 
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Jivanmukta wrote:
People need to stop spouting BANBANBAN whenever anything new comes out. Even moreso when they haven't even taken the time to read the bloody cards.

I agree. It was appropriate for Griselb& because he was broken in half, but most of these cards are not nearly good enough to warrant action.

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